tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32053362.post6538603603999736196..comments2024-03-18T06:27:51.599-04:00Comments on Not Running a Hospital: Ganz, Hillel, and the SEIUPaul Levyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17065446378970179507noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32053362.post-35915666989789263842009-12-16T06:42:41.190-05:002009-12-16T06:42:41.190-05:00Delayed response to Anon Dec 14.
I don't know...Delayed response to Anon Dec 14.<br /><br />I don't know much about the ALRB act. Just looked it up and found The California State Legislature enacted the Agricultural Labor Relations Act (ALRA) in 1975 to ". . . ensure peace in the agricultural fields by guaranteeing justice for all agricultural workers and stability in labor relations." Provisions of the Act were designed to protect rights of farm workers to act together to help themselves, to engage in union organizational activity, and to select their own representatives to bargain with employers. They prohibit employers and unions from interfering with these rights. These rights and prohibitions are similar to those that the NLRA had provided 40 years earlier to most private sector employees, explicitly not including farm workers. http://are.berkeley.edu/APMP/alra/alrabase.html<br /><br />It sounds like the act quite properly gave to agricultural workers the rights that other workers had had for decades.<br /><br />You cleverly skew and overstate what I have said about corporate campaigns when you assert: 'The language the growers used to denounce the boycott then is nearly identical to the language that you use today to denounce so-called "corporate campaigns." The growers denounced the UFW as an artificial, outside interest propped up by clueless politicians. They claimed that the workers either didn't want unions at all or wanted a "responsible" union of a some other kind."'<br /><br />First of all, it is not a "so-called" corporate campaign. It is a corporate campaign. What's this "so-called?" Its design and purpose is quite clear. I think you just admitted that.<br /><br />I don't think SEIU is artificial or the politicians are clueless. Both have made explicit choices about their behavior.<br /><br />I also have not said that the workers don't want the union. It remains to be seen whether they want it or not. That is not for either of us to say. I think it is best determined in an election in which all parties have a right to debate the issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32053362.post-36893476284233027462009-12-14T21:33:13.200-05:002009-12-14T21:33:13.200-05:00The implied answers to the three quoted questions ...The implied answers to the three quoted questions are no one, nothing, and never. But, is the presumption true?76 Degrees in San Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14358630186174729315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32053362.post-43366064913458794852009-12-14T11:09:51.357-05:002009-12-14T11:09:51.357-05:00Transferred from Facebook:
Shonda: Very well stat...Transferred from Facebook:<br /><br />Shonda: Very well stated. After working in a clinical enviroment for 5 yrs under SEIU before coming to BIDMC, I agree the people should be questioning the union's action and motivations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32053362.post-64213255494413685332009-12-14T11:09:46.425-05:002009-12-14T11:09:46.425-05:00Transferred from Facebook:
Shonda: Very well stat...Transferred from Facebook:<br /><br />Shonda: Very well stated. After working in a clinical enviroment for 5 yrs under SEIU before coming to BIDMC, I agree the people should be questioning the union's action and motivations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32053362.post-79376139194048497042009-12-14T10:30:28.756-05:002009-12-14T10:30:28.756-05:00Paul,
I read your latest post with great interest...Paul,<br /><br />I read your latest post with great interest. I have been part of the working population of of a healthcare union in the past and I echo your sentiments for the well being and reward for employees and sit dismayed when I observe the behavior many of the large unions are exhibiting. <br /><br />Unfortunately, at the end of the day, the larger the organization the more it fights to sustain itself and the its view of the status quo... I imagine you know this better than many. <br /><br />SEIU appears to have moved to pursue growth and self preservation at the expense of the idealistic paradigm professed in its credo.<br /><br />Thanks for an interesting posting today...Alyn Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05186193615495689901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32053362.post-46444854847939788582009-12-14T08:24:41.718-05:002009-12-14T08:24:41.718-05:00Of course, I am not making assumptions about what ...Of course, I am not making assumptions about what Marshall "must" believe. I am providing my interpetation and sentiments after having heard his inspirational talk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32053362.post-71291527159188102662009-12-14T08:17:52.722-05:002009-12-14T08:17:52.722-05:00None of this makes any sense if you actually look ...None of this makes any sense if you actually look at what Ganz and the Farmworkers did. <br /><br />The Farmworkers won victories through the conscious application creative tactics and moral power, but they certainly didn't eschew the use of political and economic power.<br /><br />The growers opposing the United Farmworkers bitterly complained that the union was exploiting consumer sentiment and emotion through the grape boycott instead of trying to organize workers. The language the growers used to denounce the boycott then is nearly identical to the language that you use to today to denounce so-called "corporate campaigns."<br /><br />The growers denounced the UFW as an artificial, outside interest propped up by clueless politicians. They claimed that the workers either didn't want unions at all or wanted a "responsible" union of a some other kind.<br /><br />The UFW didn't care. They knew that workers needed allies of all kinds to build an organization.<br /><br />It's striking how similar the UFW's landmark victory -- the Agricultural Labor Relations Act -- is to the fair election proposals that SEIU healthcare workers in Boston are advocating today. <br /> <br />Did you ask Ganz about any of the specifics of Boston hospital workers, or are you just making big assumptions about what he "must" believe based on your own thinking about this issue?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com